Socialism and Internet Media

In this episode, Tony and Red discuss how economics are discussed on other popular podcasts.

Socialism and Internet Media


Length: 1 hour 8 minutes

File size: 63 Megs


CPG Grey’s Site

Cracked’s site


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Wages for Facebook

We’re back on youtube.  If you prefer to listen on youtube, here is the link for the “Wages for Facebook” episode.


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Socially Responsible Apps

In this episode Red and I talk about “socially responsible” apps.

Episode 3-3 Socially Responsible Apps (Running time 1:00:15, 55.2 MBs)

Links to things we talk about in this episode:

The main article we are talking about

Slavoj Žižek’s RSA Animate  “First as Tragedy, Then as Farce”

Just Coffee co-op. I recomend the Revolution Roast, it’s what I drink every morning

Here is unfortunatly a really crappy video (though the best one I could find) of Louis C.K.’s bit about the homeless in New York

Occupy Madison’s tiny houses project


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So Close

Sometimes media get so close to saying something Marxist, but then they don’t.

Here’s one I saw today:


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Student Debt

In this Episode, Tony and I discuss student debt.

Student Debt

File info: 54 Minutes, 49 Megabytes.

The DSA’s Drop Student Debt Campaign can be found here.


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Wages for Facebook

Kicking Off Season 3, with Episode 1 we have “Wages for Facebook.”

In this Episode Tony and Red discuss the monetization of internet activity, spying on the internet, and internet access as a human right.

Wages for Facebook




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Marxist and Neoclassical Theory

I’m reading Rick Wolff and Steve Resnick’s Contending Economic Theories, which compares Marxist, Keynesian, and Neoclassical economic theories.  Wolff and Resnick are very familiar with the theories – they’ve done scholarly work contributing to the field of Marxist economic theory, and they’ve taught (mostly) neoclassical economics at the University of Massachusetts – Amherst for decades.  They are well informed and the book is easy to read.

Recently the book has made me ponder the use of economic theories in those day to day small-talk conversations.  Two years ago, while speaking with a group of friends about the recent news that paid internships for college students/grads were disappearing, a friend gave a short lesson in supply and demand to explain the change.

In retrospect, I’m now realizing that he was applying one economic theory, Neoclassical, and to add to the conversation I didn’t need to argue against his interpretation, but rather I could also add another perspective – the Marxist one.

Now, Marxism has never denied the effects of supply and demand, but rather seeks to go beyond it.  What happens when supply and demand are in equilibrium?  Why do they balance at that point?  What else is at play?

How I Could Have Responded:  Clearly supply and demand are part of it, but I don’t think they are the whole story.  There are some clear winners and some clear losers in this scenario.  Employers are getting labor for free (something they normally need to pay for, and something that is required to keep their business running), and the workers (interns) are getting nothing in return.  Class struggle also play a part in this change.  Employers needed to decide to shift from paid to unpaid interns.  That didn’t just happen magically.  If there were social taboos against not paying interns that’s something that could prevent the shift.  If there was legislation requiring interns to be paid a certain amount that could also stop the shift.  There are a whole world of forces out there beyond supply and demand that go into shaping our world.  Politics, laws, cultural norms, and class struggle are among these forces, and are clearly all influenced by each other.  So it’s fine to look at this as an effect of supply and demand, but be aware that there are other factors at play too, and some of them may even be more useful in explaining this change.

Wolff and Resnick call this approach to causation “overdeterminism”  – everything is effected by everything else.  They use it the way many other Marxist use “Dialectics”.  In fact, they introduce overdeterminism as a new more accurate term for dialectics.  Whichever word you use, it gives Marxism a clear advantage as a theory.  It makes it very flexible to use for understanding complex situations.  Instead of the caricature of Marxism where everything boils down to economic (and sometimes technological) determinism, this approach to causation allows for theorists to move between politics, science, culture, economics and more the way Marxists have often done.  Neoclassical economic theory has nothing to say about literature, while Marxism is a staple of critical literary theory – this is because Marxists have traditionally been excited by other fields of study and ready to blend and mix them with what they already know,  making the range and scope and ultimately the understanding of Marxists more broad, more deep, and more complete.

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